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This Wiki is for Pro-life (anti abortion) supporters to come and be part of a community. I am merely giving you facts. You may decide for yourselves what side you chose. Life, or Choice. There is also Pro-Choice League for those of you who see nothing wrong with what you see and read here.


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Pro-Life Members

Join us in the fight against baby Genocide.

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Badges for you all to post in your houses...Submissions are welcome!

Image Gallery

CAUTION!!!! GRAPHIC IMAGES of aborted babies. Submissions welcome.

Abortions

What is an abortion? here are the different kinds and all they entail.

Partial Birth Abortions

shows what a partial birth abortion is using a diagram, no horrific pictures...

Statistics on Abortions in the U.S.

Here are some statistics from 1996 and on.

True Stories

Woman tell what it's like to live after having an abortion.

Alive and kicking!

A collection of several stories, told by those who survived their mothers tying to abort them!!!


"Abortion is advocated only by persons who have themselves been born."
-Ronald Reagan-
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“I have learned from my earliest medical education that human life begins at the time of conception.
I submit that human life is present throughout this entire sequence from conception to adulthood and any interruption at any point constitutes a termination of a human life.”

-Dr. Jerome LeJeune, genetics professor at the University of Descartes in Paris (discoverer of the Down Syndrome chromosome)-



What is the pro-life response to abortionists' arguments?


Pro-abortion advocates consistently rely on the same arguments they have used for decades. What follows is these arguments broken down into their 5 basic forms, and the corresponding pro-life answer to these claims.


1.  [Claim:] 'It's not a baby/person - it's just a blob of tissue'

  [Response:]

When a woman is pregnant, science tells us that the new life she carries is a complete and fully new human being from the moment of fertilization. By the time most abortions can be performed, the baby already has a beating heart and identifiable brain waves. The baby living in her mother is as distinct and unique a new person/human being as you are from me, and as deserving of protection under the law as we are. 

The baby every mother carries as she faces a life and death decision has a beating heart at 18 days after fertilization and brain waves as early as six weeks after fertilization. Most abortions are not performed until nine weeks of the pregnancy. Even RU 486 chemical abortions can't be done until after six weeks.


2.  [Claim:] 'It's my body/ a women's choice'

  [Response:]

Every mother is faced with profound decisions to make for herself and her child but these decisions can never include the right to kill her baby. Mothers facing difficult pregnancies require accurate and compassionate information about the facts of fetal development as well as the practical help that is available to them through the more than 3,000 mother helping centers around the USA. Mothers have a right to be fully informed about the facts at least 24 hours before making this life or death decision for themselves and their child.


3.  [Claim:] 'What will we do with all the unwanted kids?' (Poor babies, overpopulation, abuse, etc.)

  [Response:]

We will never end poverty in our world simply by killing poor children. The poor mother who is encouraged to have an abortion today is just as poor tomorrow. Problems such as lack of job security, education, or abuse are not cured by ignoring their existence in a woman's life and turning to abortion as a way to make it all "go away."

The problem is lack of development -- not population. What women of the world desire are good basic health care for themselves and their families. In those countries where abortion is not legal, it is often because of strong cultural and religious beliefs that respect each new life. That respect needs to be backed up with wiser development plans not more dangerous and deadly abortion activity. In countries where there is not even the guarantee of clean running water, abortion will only become a death sentence for third world women and their babies.


4.  [Claim:] 'If abortion is made illegal women will die in back alleys'

  [Response:]

The numbers often used by pro-abortionists to back their claims are vast fabrications mostly made up by the pro-abortion lobby as admitted by Dr. Bernard Nathanson, founder of NARAL. The real numbers of deaths before 1973 are shockingly different.  Thirty-nine women died of illegal abortions in 1972, the year before Roe v Wade. Those are thirty-nine tragedies along with their thirty-nine children who also died because of abortion's violence. The true reason the deaths have decreased from abortion isn't legalization, it was the widespread introduction of antibiotics into medicine that saved the lives of women who would have otherwise died of botched abortions. In fact, the main forms of abortions have changed very little since the middle of this century! The only thing that legalizing abortion did was to give abortionists the right to hang their shingle on the front door and stop using the back alley!

Mothers deserve better answers than the death of their children through the violence of abortion, legal or illegal. Help us support the work of the more than 3,000 mother helping centers committed to providing real life affirming options for these women and their families.


5.  [Claim:] 'What about a woman who's been raped/incest or carrying a disabled/sick child? (the hard cases)'

  [Response:]

A.  We don't cure illness by killing the patient. Aborting a child with a disability or illness is the height of prejudice. When a family learns that the child they are expecting may have a special need, that family needs support and good solid medical information -- not the death of their most fragile member. Society must flee this attitude that uses arbitrary yard sticks to measure peoples worth.

B.  When a woman has been raped or a victim of incest, she has been the victim of a terrifying act of violence of which she is a true victim. Tragically, we are some times faced with a second victim of this great crime committed by the rapist, a baby. While pregnancy is extremely rare from rape, it can happen. The cruelest thing that can happen to the women in question is to now be pitted against her child, who is the second victim. In several studies done across America, women who were encouraged to use abortion in such circumstances felt that they had been put through a second act of violence, the violence and pain of the mechanical rape of abortion. Worse than that, they stated feelings of being made into the victimizer of their own child. they felt that their baby had paid with his/her life for the crime of the rapist.

Meanwhile, mothers who found support to carry their children to term, whether they opted for adoption or kept their babies, felt that they'd turned something horrible into something life-giving. The key here is support for both victims, mother and child.


The Consequences of Roe v. Wade

46,023,191


Total Abortions since 1973



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This baby was aborted at 24 weeks. 1 in 10 woman give birth prematurely. More that 50% of twins and 90% of triplets and born preme.
24 weeks- 56% of babies survive if premature.
25 weeks- 79% of babies survive if premature.
How is this child not murdered?



“By all criteria of modern molecular biology, life is present from the moment of conception.”
-Dr. Hymie Gordon, Chairman of the Department of Genetics.-



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2006-02-09 [RabidSphinx]: just what i said.

2006-02-09 [miss red-head]: oh ok fine... i think poeple are right to views no matter if other people think they are right or wrong

2006-02-09 [RabidSphinx]: i didn't say anyone didn't have a right to think something

2006-02-09 [miss red-head]: i know you didn't, you just called people immoral

2006-02-10 [RabidSphinx]: yes, i called a person immoral, i do not think i said anything about their right to have a belief or opinion.

2006-02-21 [RabidSphinx]:

WE NOW HAVE 101 MEMBERS! CONGRATS TO EVERYONE!!!

2006-02-21 [Quo Vadis]: YAY!

2006-02-22 [~*Dawn_yell*~]: YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2006-02-23 [RabidSphinx]: i'm so happy!

2006-02-23 [Quo Vadis]: Me too!!

2006-02-26 [~*Dawn_yell*~]: me three!!!!!!

2006-03-10 [Lord Kollins]: u think u r so good

2006-03-10 [RabidSphinx]: am i not?

2006-03-10 [Quo Vadis]: ?

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2006-03-23 [RabidSphinx]: Can I Live

2006-03-23 [Amaranthine]: I am definatly against abortion. I think its wrong to kill these living babies inside you. But I'm writing a paper on abortion and I need some opinions. Ok heres a question (just for the paper). Do you think that its ok for a woman to get in abortion if she's been raped? Maybe because she doesn't want to live with this child, a memory of the man who hurt her? (just asking for the paper don't get the wrong idea.)

2006-03-23 [RabidSphinx]: i believe in giving the baby away for adoption as her best option. a woman that has been raped has been sexually violated. the abortion process is very traumatic and similar. think, she is strapped down naked, legs spread, and objects are inserted into her, causing her pain. along with that comes guilt. she did not have a hand in the child's creation, and often feels as though the baby is just as much a victim as her and killing it is unfair but she is usually pressured into getting the abortion by people around her telling her is "wrong to have that creeps baby" and "you shouldn't have to deal with HIS child". the suicide rates of raped women that have had abortions as opposed to those who

2006-03-23 [RabidSphinx]: did not are significantly higher for that reason. there is the other argument that she is not a fit mother, can’t love the child properly, cannot raise it on her own and abortion is her only option...but again, i say that adoption would be her only option, it’s far less intrusive and she could walk away from that chapter of her life with the feeling that something good came out of all her pain, a child was born and brought joy to some other family.

2006-03-23 [Amaranthine]: Ok thank you for your opinion. You helped my paper!

2006-03-23 [RabidSphinx]: any time...^^ i'm always free to talk more, or just in more detail. i could even direct youwards some good websites.

2006-03-23 [Amaranthine]: Oh that would be very helpful! Thank you.

2006-03-30 [lost rocker]: alot f graphics

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2006-04-27 [RabidSphinx]: not sure either

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2006-06-16 [Quo Vadis]: I love that

2006-06-17 [RabidSphinx]: i do too...^^

2006-06-17 [Quo Vadis]: ^.^

2006-06-30 [The Witch's Cat]: Hello everyone.I wanted to ask if I could make a story of someone I know.Her mother was forcing her to get an abortion.She never did though

2006-07-01 [Master Of Duct Tape]: my friend thought she was pregnant and her mom was going to MAKE her get an abortion

2006-07-01 [Master Of Duct Tape]: thank god shes not, i would have had to kidnap her.

2006-07-01 [RabidSphinx]: yes you may, just changes the names and all that legal stuff and i can add it! ^_^...it is horrible what people will force another to do...it disgusts me...

2006-07-01 [Quo Vadis]: I don't think mothers should make them. They got themselfs in to it. And it IS their baby. if they want to keep it, I think she should is she can care for it.

2006-07-01 [RabidSphinx]: actually, it is illeagal to *force* an abortion on someone, even if you ARE their parent/guardian

2006-07-02 [Quo Vadis]: really?

2006-07-02 [RabidSphinx]: yup...you have to be willing...it's like forced sterilization...that is not legal either is it?

2006-07-02 [Quo Vadis]: I wish everyone a safe and happy 4th!

2006-07-02 [Quo Vadis]: ohh..

2006-07-02 [RabidSphinx]: thank you...and you too!!

2006-07-02 [Quo Vadis]: YAY!

2006-07-08 [;;Melodrama Junkie]: Raine I got a badge if you want it lol. I'll message it to you. Might be like a little pale..

2006-07-21 [bjhgvy]: I think I'm going to be sick.... *cries* :'(

2006-07-21 [RabidSphinx]: i'm sorry...*hugs*

2006-07-22 [bjhgvy]: It's okay... did you see the little message I put after adding my name to the members' list..? :(

2006-07-22 [RabidSphinx]: yes i did...i was about to write a private message to you about that when you commented here.. :( i'm so sorry to hear that

2006-07-22 [bjhgvy]: Yeah... I can't really say it's okay when it's not... I miss Baby... I never saw him/her, but I miss Baby... :'(

2006-07-22 [RabidSphinx]: i can understand that even if i have never knowingly been in your place...i'm sorry.. :(

2006-07-22 [bjhgvy]: Yeah.. thanks. All my friends say "pro-choice" is right, but I've never told them about Baby... and if I did they'd probably either think I'm lying or all of a sudden change their minds.. I probably should tell them... so.. yeah.

2006-07-22 [RabidSphinx]: i have a vision for a drawing i want to do, it is of a bay, and it is wearing a banner that says "i'm not a 'choice', i'm a gift"

2006-07-22 [bjhgvy]: Aww please draw it =] that would be amazing!

2006-07-22 [RabidSphinx]: i'm working on it...

2006-07-22 [bjhgvy]: =] I looked at all your art on your wiki, and it is amazing =D w00t! hehe =)

2006-07-22 [RabidSphinx]: oh...thanks... :(

2006-07-22 [bjhgvy]: Oh you're good and you know it :) hehe

2006-07-22 [RabidSphinx]: no. i'm not.

2006-07-22 [bjhgvy]: Yeah you really are... I could never draw anything relatively close to good, and you are just awesome. Really.

2006-07-23 [Elf_Person]: may i join i feel abortion is highly unacceptable

2006-07-23 [bjhgvy]: YaY!! It is wrong... very wrong

2006-07-23 [Quo Vadis]: Tis it is.

2006-07-24 [bjhgvy]: Yep...

2006-07-31 [RabidSphinx]: feel free to add your name to the members list wiki, it is freely editable

2006-08-01 [X. נυѕт αиσтнєя *gυяℓ*]: this is wrong..... seriously how can anyone kill anythink so small and hopeless? its evil

2006-08-01 [RabidSphinx]: it is one of those thingsi will never understand

2006-09-06 [Kiss the Dark]: you mean small and helpless?

2006-09-06 [RabidSphinx]: yeah, i think that is what they ment....

welcome to the community btw.. ^_^

2006-10-12 [DRACE]: you know whats realy off, there was a documentry the other night on my tv here that explained in detail how they remove the child, thats just nasty, for flips sake, let the kid live, at least you can give them away to an arfoniage ( I know its spelt wrong ) so at least they can live

2006-10-12 [Quo Vadis]: Very true, then can. But they don't and that's sad.

2006-10-13 [~*Dawn_yell*~]: that's just plain wrong and distgusting...why would they show that on tv?

2006-10-13 [DRACE]: I think it was kinda fill in show, cause it ran like only 10 mins

2006-10-14 [~*Dawn_yell*~]: ohhh...but still what kind of sick minded people would show that on tv?

2006-10-14 [DRACE]: meh oh wells I've seen worse in my time, thats not as bad as it, but I do wonder why it was on ~_~

2006-10-14 [~*Dawn_yell*~]: yea

2006-10-25 [;;Melodrama Junkie]: o.0 I argued with my mum about abortion rofl...

2006-10-26 [~*Dawn_yell*~]: and what happened?

2006-10-26 [;;Melodrama Junkie]: Eh we totally disagreed ^^

2006-10-28 [~*Dawn_yell*~]: lol....is she not against it or something?

2006-10-28 [;;Melodrama Junkie]: Well no not really. I am but not always only like in extremeeee cases:S

2006-10-30 [~*Dawn_yell*~]: oh i see

2006-10-31 [DRACE]: I'm not going to watch this wiki anymores, that baby is realy starting to gross me out, so bye

2006-10-31 [;;Melodrama Junkie]: Rofl..He didn't have to look at it.. :P

2006-11-01 [~*Dawn_yell*~]: i know exactly...

2006-12-05 [- xX - Raychel Anne - Xx -]: i hate abortion its just wrong just because they can't speak for themselves doesn't mean they're not living

2006-12-05 [- xX - Raychel Anne - Xx -]: i don't know if it was up there or not but 1 month into being pregnant the heart of the baby starts to beat its living...DUH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2006-12-05 [;;Melodrama Junkie]: :P Kinda stupid really..

2007-01-14 [somethingwarm]: Weeell, if a full grown member of my family threatened to ruin my future I'd kill them too.

2007-01-14 [;;Melodrama Junkie]: eep.

2007-01-14 [somethingwarm]: yeah

2007-01-14 [FireGypsy]: I hate how people say "well if you were raped it should be ok to have an abortion" If you were raped, you go to the FREE women's clinic the next day and take the morning-after pill, it is FREE. That way, you CANT get pregnant if you were raped. No excuse.

2007-01-14 [;;Melodrama Junkie]: I actually would have never thought of that... But if you think about it the only reaosn to get an abortion would be if it would like kill you..Or there was a good chance of it..

2007-01-14 [somethingwarm]: Except a rape victim probably isn't thinking about the fact that they might get pregnant, they probably aren't rationalizing at all.

2007-01-14 [;;Melodrama Junkie]: Well Seen as iots never happened to me. I wouldn't know..xD

2007-01-14 [somethingwarm]: thank god

2007-01-14 [;;Melodrama Junkie]: xD Yep!

2007-01-15 [FireGypsy]: If you were a rape victim, the FIRST thing you would be thinking about is your safety and health, therefore, you are going to a clinic to get tested and checked out. And the clinic will automatically suggest the pill.

2007-01-15 [RabidSphinx]: which is STILL abortion.
as the owner of this wiki i will remind you all that this is "pro-life" meaning ALL life, not the lives of all babies BUT for those that are the product of rape.

2007-01-15 [FireGypsy]: It is not, it is the equivilant of being on "the pill" which I am on now. It is a preventive. All the Morning-after Pill is, is a high dose of "the pill" acting LIKE being on birth control. Most of the time, there is no conception when taking the Morning-after pill.

2007-01-15 [RabidSphinx]: it is not "prevenitve" and it is NOTHING like being oin the pill. the pill prevents ovulation, the "mornng after pill" FORCES a girl to mentrate, even after the egg has been fertalized, which IS abortion.

2007-01-15 [FireGypsy]: I didn't know that. But we can agree that it is better than someone saying "oh no, Im 3 months pregnant and I didn't know! I need to abort it" and having it killed in a more brutal way?

2007-01-15 [RabidSphinx]: i think the purposeful ending of an unborn child's life is wrong. i don't care if the woman was raped, if the baby might be sick, if the mother doesn't want to ruin her figure...whatever. adoption is ALWAYS a better option that abortion. i HATE pro-lifers that are halfass flip-floppers that will be like "oh no, it is a TERRIBLE thich to dice up and vacume up your baby, that's a person! that's a baby!" but then turn around and say it should be offered to women who have been raped. like THAT baby is LESS of a person? that baby is NOT being diced up and sucked out of the mother?
it's disgusting...

2007-01-15 [FireGypsy]: It is disgusting. I take high offence to anyone I know even thinking about an abortion. I can't beleive women are able to live with themselves after doing such....

2007-01-15 [somethingwarm]: That can't be right, why does it stop working after 2 days?
And I'm pretty sure rape victims don't exactly think straight. Also are you also against masturbation?

2007-01-15 [FireGypsy]: I tell you what, if I were raped, I would be at the clinic immediately to check for AIDS or STD's. I would then go to the police and have a scetch artist session and made sure the disgusting fucker gets it up the butt for the rest of his life!

2007-01-15 [somethingwarm]: I think most of them shower first

2007-01-15 [FireGypsy]: And that is the FIRST mistake they make ^_^ I wouldn't want to wash away the semen evidence.

2007-01-15 [;;Melodrama Junkie]: Eh thinking realisticly..The first thing i'd do would be to cry XD Which is a rare event..But I could see myself crying..

2007-01-15 [FireGypsy]: I wouldn't cry, I would be angry, I would seek revenge. I might actually find the fucker and kill him myself. Maybe sick Adam on the guy, I know Adam would kill him! Either way, he would get what is coming to him.

2007-01-15 [FireGypsy]: Actually, I highly doubt any guy could even rape me. If I dont want someone touching me, they arent going to, and if I dont want someone on top of me, they arent going to. I am a quite feisty little one. Pull a knife on me all you want, Ill pull one out too ^_^ Cept I use butterfly knives. You go after a girl and she whips out a butterfly knife and starts twirling it around and crazy shit, you are less likely to continue lol!

2007-01-15 [;;Melodrama Junkie]: xD I think my dad would kill them if I got him on them. Like the woman whos kid got killed by those two people..And they wouldnt tell her where the body was. She said they had better never get out of she'd find them and kill them. Shebasically promised she would lol...After years of having an older brother and older cousins you get used to being able to put up a good fight :P

2007-01-15 [FireGypsy]: Exactly ^_^ I grew up around guys, I joked, I pranked, and I fought with them all!

2007-01-15 [;;Melodrama Junkie]: xD You jus get used to it after a while. :P Learn how to stick up for yourself and all that Jazz..xD

2007-01-15 [FireGypsy]: Yeah, I actually like being around guys more than girls. Girls are just too.... "omg like omg" and "lets go to the mall" wheras guys are like "yeah lets go dirtbiking!" and "fuck shit ass douche cunt" and they are just SO much funner to be around!

2007-01-15 [;;Melodrama Junkie]: xD I agree! Although I have no girl friends like that..We all like lads haha..people say its only cause girls are bitchy but holy hell! Guys can be SO much worse! (<3 motorbikes..lmao)

2007-01-15 [FireGypsy]: Lol I dunno, I think girls are WAY more bitchy! Guys are just cool with everything ^_^

2007-01-15 [;;Melodrama Junkie]: They are but some of the guys can be really bad. xD But guys are better :P

2007-01-15 [somethingwarm]: Agree with keikei, I work with guys and they are so bitchy its almost not even funny, they gossip and backstab worse than most chicks I'vwe ever known.

2007-01-15 [FireGypsy]: Well, all the guys I hang out with are funny ^_^ And almost never bitchy lol!

2007-01-15 [;;Melodrama Junkie]: xD The guys I hang with are hilarious and every so often bitchy..Haha

2007-01-15 [FireGypsy]: Guys rock lol!

2007-01-15 [;;Melodrama Junkie]: Haha some girls do too though :P

2007-01-15 [FireGypsy]: Rarely haha!

2007-01-15 [;;Melodrama Junkie]: Hehe..All my friend think the same as me though

2007-01-16 [RabidSphinx]: "Also are you also against masturbation?" Straygeek, if you are going to be a moron, i will ask you to leave. i'm talking about abortion, not ejaculating. saying i'm against masturbation would be like me saying i'm against menstruation!

2007-01-16 [somethingwarm]: Well no I was serious, because the bible considers it the same thing, wasting the seed of human life or something. Like catholics don't believe in contraception for the same reason?

2007-01-16 [RabidSphinx]: i'm not cath9olic, and the talk about being against masturbation is not the litter5al waste of the sperm, it is the idea of being sexual perverce and addicted to it

2007-01-16 [somethingwarm]: THe catholic handbook for teenagers said it was. But I don't agree with it's stand on rock music either, I was just wondering at what stage you consider it life.

2007-01-16 [RabidSphinx]: life is when the egg comes together with the sperm. before that you do not HAVE life, you have a jumble of incomplete DNA.
masturbation is frowned upone because it is considered perverted and unneccisary.

2007-06-25 [pet kitten]: Heres a question for you. is all apportion wrong? or are there times where it is the right thing to do?

2007-06-25 [;;Melodrama Junkie]: There is loads of ways you could look at it like if a woman had been raped would it not be right that she should have an abortiion? But then others could say It wouldn't be fair to waste that life because of a bad thing happening

2007-06-25 [FireGypsy]: Abortion is murder. Doesn't matter if you were raped or can't afford it. Have the baby and give it up for adoption if you can't deal with it. From the moment of conception there is life, and it is not YOUR life to take away. It is the baby's. Nobody has ANY right to take a baby's life away, or decide wether he/she should live or not, no matter the circumstances. Chances are when that baby grows up, he/she is not going to bitch at you for not killing him/her. So everyone should just deal with it.

2007-06-25 [;;Melodrama Junkie]: See ^^ And that's what I agree with too...

2007-06-25 [pet kitten]: i see. well let me tell you a part of my life story.

I was taken as a slave against my will when i was 17. By the time I was 18 my owner had decided to breed me. he wanted a baby girl to play with. she would have been trained when she was 5 and by the time she was 9 she would have been ready for her first slave rape.

I did get pregant. twice actaully. both times i made him so angry he beat me untill i misscaried.

but heres another question. is that an enviroment to bring a child into? and how would i have given her up for adoption?

hasty judgments such as "all apportions are wrong" can lead you to actaully supporting a man such as that.

each story is different. you need to lesson to each and every story with a open heart that is judgement free.only then can you truely know what is right and what is wrong.

2007-06-25 [;;Melodrama Junkie]: But in a case such as that..how would you get and abortion? Plus I never said I didn't listen..

2007-06-25 [pet kitten]: exactly the way i did. make him beat me untill i miscarry. i can assure you it was an act i did on purpouse. so was i wrong?should i have let him get a child?


ah but when one is so judgmental how can they listen?

2007-06-25 [;;Melodrama Junkie]: I can see your point..But are you a slave now? I'm guessing no..in which case that child would have been saved also..Both of them would be alive...Plus maybe you would have had a boy in which case what then? Would he be murdered anyway?

I may be judgemental but I can still listen..It's an easy thing. And I can see where you are coming from..

2007-06-25 [pet kitten]: yea he would have been killed.

if i had born him a child he would have gotten rid of me in some way. rather then letting me go.

2007-06-25 [FireGypsy]: That is a pretty outrageous story, but I am a very trusting person and I will believe you. What did you do and who did you live with before you were 17? You could officially have moved out on your own at 16 1/2. Did your mom sell you? How did these people get you? If you were taken against your will, were you held there 24/7? Was there ANY possible way you could have escaped or gone to the police?

That is no environment to bring a child into, you are right, but if you were pregnant, you should have taken that chance to escape. Told them that something wasnt right and you had to get checked out or something. ANYTHING to get out of there with your child.

You were in a predicament that was not of your control. You had no say in anything. You didnt get an abortion, the guy beat the child dead inside you. Not of your choice. You couldnt get an abortion in that situation even if you wanted to. So this story has nothing to do with getting an abortion.

In all other cases where women are NOT held against their will to have slave babies where abortion is not even possible, abortion is STILL murder.

2007-06-25 [pet kitten]: but i made him beat me. i disobeyed and fought untill the bearing got bad enough to finish the job.

my story is complex and i have no desire to tell it here. it will be exposed to public soon enough during the trial

2007-06-25 [;;Melodrama Junkie]: Sashaaa. You make your point so much better than me xD tisn't fairrr...But either way whether this is true or not (and i'm not saying it isn't) Abortion is murder..You say yourself he had to beat you to miscarry or rather kill the two babies.

2007-06-25 [FireGypsy]: You could have tried to escape with your child, why didn't you?

2007-06-25 [pet kitten]: 1)i barely survived
2)there was no way he would have let me live long after the birth. he know that i was never truely his.
3)he would have done anything to keep that child.
4) i wasnt willing to risk the child. a male would have been killed, a female would have been made a slave.

should i have risked that?is that what your saying?

2007-06-25 [;;Melodrama Junkie]: There was a chance those children could be alive. That they could be saved. I think you should have risked that...I think I would have done anything to keep my child safe..

2007-06-25 [pet kitten]: ah

so you would risk your child being abused and raped. you would risk your child being used as a slave.


to you having your child live in a hell is better then "murdering" her.

thats what i was wondering.thank you for admiting it.thats all i wanted to know. how fantactical you are

2007-06-25 [;;Melodrama Junkie]: Then again having a chance of your daughter having a good life if you got out which you did. Having a good life rather than being brutally murdered...Hmm I wonder.

2007-06-25 [FireGypsy]: What you did in your situation, I think anyone would have done.

2007-06-25 [;;Melodrama Junkie]: It's easy for me to say I wouldn't have but i'm not in that situation and never have been, and I certainly never want to be. I see her reasons but I still think its murder..

2007-06-25 [pet kitten]: the point is i wouldnt have gotten out with a child. its a simple situation. kill the kid or let her live in hell.

thats no choice for me

2007-06-25 [;;Melodrama Junkie]: Well it's done now and I cant say for sure what I would do...To be completely honest.

2007-06-25 [pet kitten]: atleast you can admit that maybe just maybe there are times where its called for

2007-06-25 [;;Melodrama Junkie]: Well I guess each person thinks differently but until they are in that situation they dont know for sure which they'd choose

2007-06-25 [pet kitten]: each situation is different.what if someone was raped?what about the 13yr old girl who got raped and got pregant?what about the woman who found out that there is a medical reason not to have a child?

aye there are those idiots who use it as a form of birthcontrol and that is wrong.

but should those who have reasons not be allowed to have an apportion?

2007-06-25 [;;Melodrama Junkie]: I dont class rape as a reason to kill an innocent child..I don't think that they should suffer because of such a thing..Medical reasons I can kind of understand but I still think in all cases abortions shouldnt HAVE to happen and ARE murder. No matter what.

2007-06-25 [pet kitten]: i see

so a child who was raped, got pregant and whos body isnt ready to birth a child should have to go through the pain of child birth and be tramatized because of it?

2007-06-25 [;;Melodrama Junkie]: You would be traumatized anyway and isn't abortion said to be much like rape anyway?

2007-06-25 [pet kitten]: no

their not

2007-06-25 [FireGypsy]: So what are you guys doing on this fine Monday night?

2007-06-26 [pet kitten]: very nice change of subject.

i'm getting my butt kicked all over WoW

2007-06-26 [FireGypsy]: Just be glad the owner isn't on O_o

2007-06-26 [pet kitten]: hey, dissagreements are gonna happen.....their a part of life. imagine how boreing it would be if everyone was the same

2007-06-26 [;;Melodrama Junkie]: Sarah will probably still write a reply when she comes on ^^

2007-06-26 [;;Melodrama Junkie]: I like her. ^^ I like the way she stands up for what she believes in no matter what anyone says, even if she is wrong she still stands up for it because she believes it. I like that about her ^^ although sometimes it's in weird ways. ^^

2007-07-02 [RabidSphinx]: i am back, and there was congestion on my wiki, Sasha being a self-absorbed promoter of her hobbies. and she says she doesn't go on wikis self-promoting. what a lummox.
Thanks to those who defended me/like me. That’s unexpected. O_o *feels the love*
Sasha knows why I hate her, (or she really IS as dumb as I have claimed) she is just playing it off so she can pretend to be the victim in the situation. Is she a slut? Yes. Is anyone that lives with their bf/gf and sleeping with them a slut? Yes. I don’t make acceptations/have double standards. and just because 60% of people do something does not make it right, it just means 60% of the population are morons, which i could have told you anyways.

anyways, abortion is wrong in my opinion, but i'm willing to allow it to happen if a step of the process is sterilization of the woman.

2007-07-02 [RabidSphinx]: ahh, congestion gone again. ^_^

any wiki owner can ban members from their wikis, all they have to do is say "you are banned from my wiki" and if the member continues they are breaking the EP rules of "don't be an asshole" and can be reported.

if anyone sees [FireGypsy] posting here, please ignore her, and she will be reported to the guards for harassment, being an asshole, and disturbing the peace.

yippie.

anyways.

2007-07-03 [pet kitten]: rolls eyes

2007-07-03 [RabidSphinx]: *spoons the rolling eyes out*
here, these were loose. you should get them fixed before you replace them.

2007-07-03 [pet kitten]: uh.........someones a tad voilent

2007-07-03 [RabidSphinx]: o-rly?

2007-07-03 [pet kitten]: yes
you didnt like what i said/did so you spooned my eyes out. that is voilent. shows lots of repressed anger. have you seen a therapist?

2007-07-03 [RabidSphinx]: you rolled your eyes, which is rude, so i fixed the problem.

2007-07-03 [pet kitten]: *snorts* and do you do that with everyone who does something you dont like?

2007-07-03 [RabidSphinx]: do what? roll my eyes? no, it's rude. I try to respect those that don't agree with me when they allow it. I find myself rather disinclined to respect those that show no respect to me, however. i certainly don't go out of my way to be disrespectful, but there is a difference between simply not extending respect and disrespecting.

snorting is lowclass too.

2007-07-03 [pet kitten]: mmmmhmmmmmthats what i asked.


it seems to me that you find me lowclass and whorish without bothering to take time to get to know me. you know nothing of my past or who i am.

yet you make hasty judgements based on your own insecurity.



now, i was asking if you do things like to everyone you find rude. not if you are rude. we both know the answer to that. i remember the i hate homosexuality wiki....

you need serious therapy... i can see you sliding deeper into your hate. get help. or you will never find a man who put up with you.

this entire conversation is stupid and i've said my peice. so, i'm leaving, ban me if you want with your imaginary ban botton.i find it amusing how you cant handle someone different then yourself.

take care, best of luck in life, and get help.

2007-07-03 [RabidSphinx]: tell me about my insecurities then, if you feel you know me so well to make such a judgment. If you hate how i judge you, do take a moment to reflect on how you judge me and see if that is fair. hypocrisy is a nasty little thing. :)

"now, i was asking if you do things like to everyone you find rude."
do things like WHAT? is my question, again you fail to even say what you are going on about. I can't humor you for much longer if you are not going to just directly address the issue.

I am not looking for a man, BUT, i live by the philosophy of: If you can't accept me at my worst, you don't deserve me at my best" so, if any guy feels he can do that, and would pursue me, more power to him, the poor delusional fool.

there isn't a person out there that is like me, so everyone is different that myself, and i handle the vast majority of them quite well. there is a minority of people i just haven't a clue what to do with, but that is true with anyone. You clearly don't know what to do with me, so you are dismissive. that's rude. :)

2007-07-05 [pet kitten]: i just dont want to waste me time with someone who is closed minded and rude. You seem to think that if someone is different then insulting them is ok, because their different.

i tend to aviod people like that because my response to them isnt good. it makes me angry. after all, hilter killed all those jews because they were different then him therefor it was ok.

think on that for a while. byebye

2007-07-05 [;;Melodrama Junkie]: x_X Hitler didn't only kill jews though. Even though he killed others for the same kinda things I jus' thought I'd point that out.. ^^

2007-07-05 [RabidSphinx]: Hitler killed MY people. We were forced to wear purple triangles on our coats just like the Jews were the star of David.
Think on THAT for a bit before you talk about things you don't understand.

I can appreciate people that are "different" than myself, because I am unique and there isn't another person like me out there, you are just insulted that out of ALL the different kinds of people i accept and embrace, you are not one of them. maybe if you weren't a pervert i would be nicer. I'm not nice to perverts, they all deserve a good stoning, for the betterment of society.

2007-07-11 [The-Salaminizer]: A woman may stay poor after aborting the child, but did you ever think that she would be poorer if she didn't? Kids are EXPENSIVE. And many children in foster care commit suicide anyways.

2007-07-12 [RabidSphinx]: yeah, so killing the poor is the answer. good idea! why hadn't we thought of that yet? Lets empty out the ghettos. who's with me??
oh, and the mental hospitals too, because crazy people kill themselves, so they should be killed too for being irrational and depressed.

2007-07-12 [The-Salaminizer]: Yeah, that's not what I was saying at all. I appreciate your willingness to accept other people's views as well as your own. Did I flat-out say your opinion was a joke? No I did not. I presented my thoughts in a clear, readable manner, and you start claiming I want to kill all the minorities. Don't jump to conclusions, bitch.

2007-07-12 [RabidSphinx]: i didn't say "minorities"...uh...bitch. I said the poor, because that is what YOU said. a child will be born poor, so lets kill it, so that won't happen. i was only agreeing with you and that good idea of yours. do you always insult those that agree with you?
wow, you are a cunt. pity your mother didn't have the foresight to have an abortion, something clearly agree with. :)

2007-07-12 [The-Salaminizer]: I'm saying the mother will be poorer for having the child she could have aborted. You're not agreeing with me. You're spitting on my beliefs. Which is something I wouldn't expect from someone who claims to be "anti-stupid."

2007-07-12 [RabidSphinx]: well, you are stupid, so i am "anti-you"
you are saying we should kill poor children. what a wonderful person you are.

2007-07-12 [FireGypsy]: That is NOT what he is saying, you are being ignorant. He is bringing up a common topic, and instead of trying to defend your beliefs and debate the topic, you are bashing him. Why would you make a wiki on such a debatable topic if you harrass anyone who tries speak their mind and beliefs that aren't the same as yours. There is something wrong with you...

2007-07-12 [RabidSphinx]: Let's see, what is the member saying...poor women should have abortions so that their children won't be poor too. so what part of "killing poor children" is not correct here? hmmm.
We, as a society do not kill our poor, our sick, our stupid, or our criminals (if the liberal assholes get their way) so why is it okay to kill the unborn? mercy killing? that is illegal.

this wiki is not a "debate" wiki, neither is the pro-choice League wiki. neither wiki is to go to and push your beliefs on the other, and there is a warning posted that such attempts to debate, or flame, will not be received kindly. This member came here to debate. They brought up a BAD argument to start with, and i just had a little fun laughing at them. if they don't like it, they don't have to be here.

and yes, sasha, you are "banned" from here, as someone that works on this site, i would GUESS you are familiar with the rules enought to know a wiki owner can ask a member to leave at any point for any reason, and if the member does not comply it is harassment.

You have been reported. not that anything will likely be done about it, but i know some of us will have a laugh at your expence over this.

now shoo, before a guard really DOES come in here.

2007-07-15 [RabidSphinx]: i don't get it....

2007-07-29 [somethingwarm]: [pet kitten] is a liar
She didn't escape, he got rid off her.
Parasite.

2007-11-20 [kirbi]: This wiki enlightens people about that all life is to be cared for; wish i do agree with however on aborton it depends on where you beileve human life starts in the law (UK) it is 14 weeks. If you beileve that human life begins at conception then therefore why not about IVF treament and the just tipping down the sick of all of the embro's which are considered 'not normal' is'nt that just murdeer in it's self?

2007-11-21 [somethingwarm]: thats how the protestors see it

2007-11-21 [kirbi]: Well i'm not as such, just see things a bit differently

2008-10-21 [♥Eli-Annai♥]: Also, for the one about "Its my body I can do what I want with it" The thing is, that part of you, it NOT your body when, there is a live thing in it. lol

2008-10-23 [somethingwarm]: But you don't see people puttin up with worms or lice.

In any case. I've had a change of heart.

2008-11-04 [♥Eli-Annai♥]: Worm and Lice are not People!!!!!!!!!!!

WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IS HUMAN BEINGS THAT ARE BEING MURDERED!!!!!!!!!

2008-11-11 [~*Dawn_yell*~]: well i haven't been here in a while and all i can say is im now pregnant and i would NEVER EVER think about gettin an abortion, i just wouldn't be able to live with myself, wouldn't you feel so guilty if u were pregnant and got an abortion and then u feel so guilty cuz that someone should have deserved life and given a chance and not killed by ur selfishness

2008-11-18 [Nekko fox]: Stem-cell research.

2008-11-19 [Nekko fox]: I win.

2008-11-19 [Nekko fox]: :3

2008-11-21 [somethingwarm]: I'll need that explained..
Of course they aren't people, but I think you'll find that people who have abortions don't consider foetuses to be people either.

2010-03-21 [The Horseman]: You people obviously don't know what life is like beyond your borders. Try going somewhere that isn't a democracy, go somewhere else and take a look at the real world. If you morons had any sense as to what really goes on you would know that it is the peoples choice to do with their bodies what they will. YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO TRY AND ACCUSE ANYONE OF MURDER FOR DOING ANYTHING THAT THAT PERSON CHOOSES TO DO! SO GET OFF YOUR HIGH FUCKING HORSES AND GO VISIT SOMEWHERE OTHER THEN THE US YOU FUCKING COWARDS!

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