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This Wiki is for Pro-life (anti abortion) supporters to come and be part of a community. I am merely giving you facts. You may decide for yourselves what side you chose. Life, or Choice. There is also Pro-Choice League for those of you who see nothing wrong with what you see and read here.


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Abortions

What is an abortion? here are the different kinds and all they entail.

Partial Birth Abortions

shows what a partial birth abortion is using a diagram, no horrific pictures...

Statistics on Abortions in the U.S.

Here are some statistics from 1996 and on.

True Stories

Woman tell what it's like to live after having an abortion.

Alive and kicking!

A collection of several stories, told by those who survived their mothers tying to abort them!!!


"Abortion is advocated only by persons who have themselves been born."
-Ronald Reagan-
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“I have learned from my earliest medical education that human life begins at the time of conception.
I submit that human life is present throughout this entire sequence from conception to adulthood and any interruption at any point constitutes a termination of a human life.”

-Dr. Jerome LeJeune, genetics professor at the University of Descartes in Paris (discoverer of the Down Syndrome chromosome)-



What is the pro-life response to abortionists' arguments?


Pro-abortion advocates consistently rely on the same arguments they have used for decades. What follows is these arguments broken down into their 5 basic forms, and the corresponding pro-life answer to these claims.


1.  [Claim:] 'It's not a baby/person - it's just a blob of tissue'

  [Response:]

When a woman is pregnant, science tells us that the new life she carries is a complete and fully new human being from the moment of fertilization. By the time most abortions can be performed, the baby already has a beating heart and identifiable brain waves. The baby living in her mother is as distinct and unique a new person/human being as you are from me, and as deserving of protection under the law as we are. 

The baby every mother carries as she faces a life and death decision has a beating heart at 18 days after fertilization and brain waves as early as six weeks after fertilization. Most abortions are not performed until nine weeks of the pregnancy. Even RU 486 chemical abortions can't be done until after six weeks.


2.  [Claim:] 'It's my body/ a women's choice'

  [Response:]

Every mother is faced with profound decisions to make for herself and her child but these decisions can never include the right to kill her baby. Mothers facing difficult pregnancies require accurate and compassionate information about the facts of fetal development as well as the practical help that is available to them through the more than 3,000 mother helping centers around the USA. Mothers have a right to be fully informed about the facts at least 24 hours before making this life or death decision for themselves and their child.


3.  [Claim:] 'What will we do with all the unwanted kids?' (Poor babies, overpopulation, abuse, etc.)

  [Response:]

We will never end poverty in our world simply by killing poor children. The poor mother who is encouraged to have an abortion today is just as poor tomorrow. Problems such as lack of job security, education, or abuse are not cured by ignoring their existence in a woman's life and turning to abortion as a way to make it all "go away."

The problem is lack of development -- not population. What women of the world desire are good basic health care for themselves and their families. In those countries where abortion is not legal, it is often because of strong cultural and religious beliefs that respect each new life. That respect needs to be backed up with wiser development plans not more dangerous and deadly abortion activity. In countries where there is not even the guarantee of clean running water, abortion will only become a death sentence for third world women and their babies.


4.  [Claim:] 'If abortion is made illegal women will die in back alleys'

  [Response:]

The numbers often used by pro-abortionists to back their claims are vast fabrications mostly made up by the pro-abortion lobby as admitted by Dr. Bernard Nathanson, founder of NARAL. The real numbers of deaths before 1973 are shockingly different.  Thirty-nine women died of illegal abortions in 1972, the year before Roe v Wade. Those are thirty-nine tragedies along with their thirty-nine children who also died because of abortion's violence. The true reason the deaths have decreased from abortion isn't legalization, it was the widespread introduction of antibiotics into medicine that saved the lives of women who would have otherwise died of botched abortions. In fact, the main forms of abortions have changed very little since the middle of this century! The only thing that legalizing abortion did was to give abortionists the right to hang their shingle on the front door and stop using the back alley!

Mothers deserve better answers than the death of their children through the violence of abortion, legal or illegal. Help us support the work of the more than 3,000 mother helping centers committed to providing real life affirming options for these women and their families.


5.  [Claim:] 'What about a woman who's been raped/incest or carrying a disabled/sick child? (the hard cases)'

  [Response:]

A.  We don't cure illness by killing the patient. Aborting a child with a disability or illness is the height of prejudice. When a family learns that the child they are expecting may have a special need, that family needs support and good solid medical information -- not the death of their most fragile member. Society must flee this attitude that uses arbitrary yard sticks to measure peoples worth.

B.  When a woman has been raped or a victim of incest, she has been the victim of a terrifying act of violence of which she is a true victim. Tragically, we are some times faced with a second victim of this great crime committed by the rapist, a baby. While pregnancy is extremely rare from rape, it can happen. The cruelest thing that can happen to the women in question is to now be pitted against her child, who is the second victim. In several studies done across America, women who were encouraged to use abortion in such circumstances felt that they had been put through a second act of violence, the violence and pain of the mechanical rape of abortion. Worse than that, they stated feelings of being made into the victimizer of their own child. they felt that their baby had paid with his/her life for the crime of the rapist.

Meanwhile, mothers who found support to carry their children to term, whether they opted for adoption or kept their babies, felt that they'd turned something horrible into something life-giving. The key here is support for both victims, mother and child.


The Consequences of Roe v. Wade

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Total Abortions since 1973



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This baby was aborted at 24 weeks. 1 in 10 woman give birth prematurely. More that 50% of twins and 90% of triplets and born preme.
24 weeks- 56% of babies survive if premature.
25 weeks- 79% of babies survive if premature.
How is this child not murdered?



“By all criteria of modern molecular biology, life is present from the moment of conception.”
-Dr. Hymie Gordon, Chairman of the Department of Genetics.-



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2005-02-15 [Bad Stone]: hope that was a joke. Some cases, yes, death penalty but only if they know for sure it was that person, there was a contraversal issues class my theatre class sat through last year (we were the jury and a trail was put before us) and I agreed to death on that because the man had admitted it, been seen doing it, he went crazy and with a pistol shot dozens of people including a police officer and a pregnant woman. But it really does depend on the case...

2005-02-15 [Aurea]: I'd say that there should be a witness. And there has to be a really thorough investigation, to make sure they're not lying. Or a witness AND a confession. But not just a confession. Because if they kill someone on behalf of like... The KKK or something, then they might lie and say they did it. (Sort of "taking one for the team")

2005-02-15 [Bad Stone]: there was a whole restruant who witnessed that and they knew who it was (they apprehended him at the site) therefore there was NO question to who it was, and he had no good excuse except that he suddenly had the urge to kill innoccents, and it was not a short time either there was time for police to get there and become harmed as well...

2005-02-16 [RabidSphinx]: few crimes are that simple, someone seeing them do it and so you can convict them...it is all DNA and crime testing now...i say, if you can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt they did it, stick the needle in their arm...and this is not the right debate for this wiki...i already suggested this topic of debate for the agree to disagree debate wiki...i will inform you all when it comes up,....right now we are on the bible and if it is "propaganda" or not....there is no debate right now because i haven't thrown in my lot on the matter yet, but you should all join in if you feel you have something the ADD to it...

2005-02-16 [Bad Stone]: I know....just making sure I'm clear cause if I wasnt I know if any liberal was reading this they would flip out...like they ALWAYS do

2005-02-16 [RabidSphinx]: damn bleeding heart librals...they can take their politically correct speach and shuve it up their gay-asses

2005-02-16 [Bad Stone]: I hate how they are always so tense and seriously they will FREAK OUT...I dont like consveratives to much either but at least I can carry on a decent conversation with one without being screamed at for no reason or cut off completely

2005-02-16 [RabidSphinx]: i know...Librals take offence to anything and everything...tgus why i leave comments like my last one...see if they are offended now........the world would be a better place without librals...being in the middle, not totally conservative either, is best...........true conservatives don't like change, but liberals need to learn the meaning of the term "if it's ain't broke, don't fix it"...

2005-02-16 [The Gaurdian]: the bible, it is pure fabrication. i mean not to offend anone of the religion, but i am a pagan. i belive in the ways practiced BEFORE the catholics came and slughtered them.

2005-02-16 [RabidSphinx]: *rolls eyes* thanks for that...i think the bible is a good guide to a moral life and little more...and i dislike pagans...they are too bitchy and most are fake anyways and bought their "real pagen guide to paganism" at Barns 'n Nobles for $19.95....

2005-02-16 [The Gaurdian]: no, actually, it has been tought through the generations of my family, at least we dont cram our religion down others throats. or TELL a person that they need to be saved.

2005-02-16 [RabidSphinx]: i don't think anyone is saved

2005-02-16 [The Gaurdian]: i think that life began about a billion years ago and has been a continus process.

2005-02-16 [RabidSphinx]: i think an indavidual life begins and ends with the passing of your moral body

2005-02-16 [The Gaurdian]: omfg, you are the first to ever give the correct answer to that comment. the said comment(by me) is true. but what you answered is true too. congradulations. somone who can give me a challange...thoughtit would never happen.

2005-02-16 [RabidSphinx]: loo...what? (O.o) i was just expressing my lack of beliefe in an afterlife...lol

2005-02-16 [The Gaurdian]: but you gave the correct answer. i think that theses bodies contain a spirit that makes us who we are, and when we die this spirit becomes a part of this earth as do our bodys.

2005-02-16 [RabidSphinx]: i don't know about that much...i just believe that when i die, i will not go to heaven, i will not burn in hell, and i will not be rewared or punished for things i did...

2005-02-16 [The Gaurdian]: that is ture. but i gotta go agian. bye

2005-02-16 [RabidSphinx]: bu-bye

2005-02-21 [RabidSphinx]: hello...(^_^) how are you today?

2005-02-21 [RabidSphinx]:

WE NOW HAVE 40 MEMBERS!!!!w00t! yay!

2005-02-23 [rocker_reject]: but only 17 watch the wiki........

2005-02-23 [The Gaurdian]: so, at least we know who the real freinds of the page are...but who is a freind, and who does not care....

2005-02-23 [RabidSphinx]: just means i have 17 active members, or people that have asked questions so watched the page and 40 *supporters* look at the prochoice wiki....i don't think they have broken 10 yet! hehehe

2005-02-23 [RabidSphinx]: my-bad, they have a womping 14! lol! we better look out...they may catch up and end up with more supporters...

2005-02-24 [The Gaurdian]: there is but one opion now...war

2005-03-04 [RabidSphinx]: Safe-Zone From Stupidity i made this wiki because i can't be part of Safe Zone....so i made my OWN "safe-zone"...one free of stupid people...(^_^) join if you like...(^_^)

2005-03-04 [The Gaurdian]: really, are you for real, no stupid people...i cant...concive it, noe at all yay w))t!

2005-03-04 [RabidSphinx]: but it'a nice without them

2005-03-05 [Lioness123]: but thats discrimination towards unintelligent people! (sarcastic)

2005-03-05 [RabidSphinx]: damn straight it is!

2005-03-11 [The Gaurdian]: us intellects have the right to discriminate. i know a few people who have no idea what pro choice or pro life even mean, the you have th idiots who think that upsidedown petagrams=a satanic symbol. stupid people deserve our discrimination.

2005-03-11 [The Gaurdian]: i don't understand the dime with the tiny gooy arms.

2005-03-11 [RabidSphinx]: what don't you understand about it? that is a dime, and those are the arms of an aborted baby....it's to show first: the size and second: the "in God We Trust" on the currency to show that we of america are willing to do that to our children...

2005-03-12 [Lioness123]: I think its funny that so may people think that an up-side-down cross is satanic! Its St. Peter's cross! lol

2005-03-12 [RabidSphinx]: and upside down cross is used to show the "anti-christ"....it's first used as an insult, then also, has been known to be used by demons...in cases of a possessed individual, crosses have been known to flip upside-down...

2005-03-12 [Lioness123]: I don't know about that...I just know that that cross is the sign of St. Peter because he refused to be crucified in the same way as Jesus..claiming he wasn't worthy to be crucified in the same mannor so they turned it upside down

2005-03-12 [RabidSphinx]: Peter? i never heard of him being crucified...i thought he died in prison...

2005-03-12 [Nevermore.]: i will go cheack *looks at relgious edcuation book*

2005-03-12 [Lioness123]: I'm pretty sure it was St. Peter...St. Andrew was also crucified, but his was on an "X".

2005-03-12 [Nevermore.]: yes, he was crusifide...and there are also 2 keys on the unside down cross..symbolizing the words of jesus when he said he would give peter the keys to the kingdom of heaven

2005-03-12 [RabidSphinx]: and even so, being crucified was a common death for *any* criminal...it was seen as an insult to do it to Jesus, that's why they did it...it wasn't sacred, if you remember, Jesus was crucified with a murderer and a thief...(or two other men, whatever they did...)

2005-03-12 [Nevermore.]: hehe! yay!!

2005-03-12 [Nevermore.]: i got sumthing right!

2005-03-12 [Lioness123]: i know that, but from then on (after Jesus died) the cross was seen as a symbol of Him. .....(maybe we should move this to my Roman Catholics United wiki)

2005-03-12 [Lioness123]: yay valentine!

2005-03-12 [Nevermore.]: hehe, also, catholics belived that peter was the first bishop of rome, prodistants however do not belive that..this confusinon came when jesus said 'on this rock i will build my church' catholics belived tht jesus ment that peter himself was the rock, prodestants belived that jesus was reffering to peters faith, not to peter himself *does dance* yay!

2005-03-12 [RabidSphinx]: i don't mind, besides, a different topic is being disscussed there....but regardless, people were crusified on crosses after jesus was......and i think catholics are totally messed up in their belife of peter and so on...

2005-03-12 [Nevermore.]: ond also, catholics belive that peter was given the authoraty to forgive sins, ,but prodastants belive that that gift was givin to all the apostles, (see john 20 v 22-23)

2005-03-12 [Nevermore.]: y do i know this?! im not religious!!!!

2005-03-12 [RabidSphinx]: that is what i believe,...the catholics are blasphemous in their praise of peter...he was a man FULL of sin, and yet they hold him just as high as Jesus...they do that too with Mary, when that too is uncalled for and wrong....they are borderline idol worshipers…i know all this too, why? oh why? lol *hugs BV*

2005-03-12 [Nevermore.]: *huggles RD* its called common knolgage, or how ever u spell it. now, not to offend anyone, i am a prodestant, well, father was a catholic and mother was a prodestant, i was brought up in the prodestant fath. i myself belive that the catholic religon is not *wrong* shall we say, just tampered with. like many bishops have twisted the bible, added things to it to go in their favor...but..who is anyone to say that a religon is wrong?...no one is....no one knows which is right and which is wrong...at the end of the day, allmost all relgions are based on god, and no one will ever know which religion is right till we die and ask the big man himself

2005-03-12 [Nevermore.]: in which case we cant come back and infrom the world...

2005-03-12 [RabidSphinx]: i agree with you that the catholic church has tampered with the bible, that is a VERY "wrong" thing to do, thus where i got "wrong' from in my statement...not saying they believe wrongly or rightly, but things they have done are just plain *wrong*...and it's spelled "knowledge"… lol...(^_-)

2005-03-12 [Nevermore.]: well, im not dissing any religon, simply stating what i think

2005-03-12 [Nevermore.]: i am in no place or athoraty to say a religon is wrong, it all boils down to faith, and if one really wants to get technall, religon is actully the biggrest reason for racetism

2005-03-12 [RabidSphinx]: "Racism"...and really? how do you figure? no where in the bible does it teach the lesser of one man to another...infact, it teaches equality of *all* men...

2005-03-12 [Nevermore.]: no, thats not what i ment. what i am saying is that diffrences in religon have caused things like racism and fighting...eg, catholics and prodestants in northern ireland, *looks around* and its still happening!

2005-03-13 [Lioness123]: people are very passionate about their religions...thats why so many are ready and willing to fight and die for them. Just look at the muslims. Even though i strongly disagree with their beliefs, their strong faith is something to be admired.

2005-03-13 [RabidSphinx]: what's wrong with their beliefs...if you ignore the radicals, they are very good people...

2005-03-13 [Lioness123]: I'm talking about the ones who believe that if they walk into a building with a bomb strapped to their chests and kill themselves and everyone else that they'll all go to heaven

2005-03-13 [RabidSphinx]: those are radicals love...and they are but the SMALLEST of a % of Muslims, most are peaceful GOOD people...stop being so prejudice!

2005-03-14 [Nevermore.]: btw, ppl who die for their relgion are called 'mayrters'..i sooo gotta stop listening in class

2005-03-14 [RabidSphinx]: that is true, BUT they are also called "reactionaries" or "radicals" in their beliefs...(^_^)

2005-03-14 [Nevermore.]: *hits religious edcuation teacher over the head wioth a bible* this is your fault miss!..my brain it warped *sits in a dark corner*

2005-03-14 [Lioness123]: I was told that that WAS what they were taught.

2005-03-14 [RabidSphinx]: no, actually, that is NOT what they are taught, and whoever told you that is a racist bigot and should be shot...

2005-03-15 [Lioness123]: SHOT?! don't ever say that about anyone, Raine.

2005-03-15 [RabidSphinx]: i say that about alot of people lioness...i'm all for capital punishment and killing of the stupid

2005-03-16 [Bad Stone]: well that was a completly IGNORATE comment you made up there Lioness, a generalization and racist, and whoever told you that should die, and you shouldnt just believe it, you've never read the koran yourself have you? I bet you havent, so dont make judgements esp. if someone 'told you' that

2005-03-16 [Lioness123]: what is it with you people and wishing people would die..?

2005-03-17 [Bad Stone]: well they should be given a big tounge lashing, you as well for not allowing to come to your own opinions, like my stupid spanish teacher...ugh, she's feeding us proganda like mad

2005-03-17 [Lioness123]: would it make you guys feel any better if I said I realize that that statement was a stereotype and that I'm sorry..?

2005-03-17 [Bad Stone]: realized THEN or NOW? I dont think you really realize what you did, I mean how would you liek it if people said nasty stuff about your religion when they dont know anything thing about it at ALL

2005-03-17 [Lioness123]: are you kidding me..? people do that ALL the time

2005-03-18 [Bad Stone]: do they say that your out to kill everyone who doesnt agree with you, or gays, not just telling you guys are WEIRD but saying your out to kill everyone else

2005-03-18 [Lioness123]: have you ever heard of any catholics (in their right mind) set out to kill people in order to save their souls?

2005-03-19 [Bad Stone]: I'm not saying you DO I'm just saying thats basicly the equivalent...and actually I have heard of people claiming to be catholic going out to kill people like gays, but it doesnt mean thats what they tell you to do, you really arent getting this *sigh*

2005-03-19 [Lioness123]: I don't think we're going to come to a conclusion that we both will be happy with... so can we change the subject in order to avoid some possible negativity? I really do hate to argue..

2005-03-21 [Morfeaohtarawen]: *blows wistle* 5 minute violation to the penalty corners ladys and gentlemen

2005-03-22 [rocker_reject]: what are you guys arguing about?

2005-03-22 [Bad Stone]: go up and read it, and I'm not arguing, you just dont really understand hwo incredibly hurtful, and ignorant that comment was

2005-03-22 [rocker_reject]: omg!!!!!!!!!!!!!! its like me and raine are the same person! I am also for capital punishment and cruel and unusual punishment

2005-03-25 [RabidSphinx]: we are obe in the same....w00t!

2005-04-12 [Shael]: If anyone has questions about the Muslim belief system, you can buy a Koran at the bookstore for all of about fifteen dollars...or simply sit in on a class, or speak to a teacher of the Koran...second person data should not be relied on as fact because to many people are blind to the warps in society. People react strongly when they feel wronged, either Muslim, Christian, or average citizen. Also take into consideration that there are those who twist the words of a belief to suite themselves and justify their actions. People cannot be relied upon to present the perfect model of a religious belief, people are incapable of perfection.

2005-04-12 [Shael]: I apologize for the rant...it's something I think alot about because of racial tension and the tendency of people to link race with religious belief. I myself am Arabic, however, I do not follow the Koran, nor do I speak any form of the language because of the fact that when my grandparents immigrated the language was not passed down. Racial labelling is dangerous when linking in to a specific religion.

2005-04-15 [Bad Stone]: thanks Shael, wish other ignorant stupid people would figure that out.

2005-04-17 [Morfeaohtarawen]: i hope this dosen't sound racist (or too ignorant) but can roman catholics read the Koran? I thought it would be interesting to read the ohter stories of Abraham, but I'm not sure if the Church approves.

2005-04-17 [Shael]: It's not a sin to read and educate ones self. If they do not approve of this then perhaps it should not be their dicision.

2005-04-17 [Morfeaohtarawen]: i just wasn't sure. thanks

2005-04-21 [sezmo]: catholics have killed to "save there souls" in a religous war! have none of you hear of northan ireland?? they kill proaistant people and then the catholics get killed back!!!! its not real a religous war but it is calmed to be to make it sound better just like ALL other wars.

2005-04-21 [Morfeaohtarawen]: you can't judge a whole people on something like that, same for all religons. God (or whoever you belive in) doesn't make war, people do with hate or want or lust for blood.

2005-04-22 [Shael]: The Catholic church went on

2005-04-22 [Shael]: The Catholic church went on "crusades" under the guise of saving the infidel, and sometimes they were sincere. However, this is the work of a large organization in a time where education and equality were not taken into consideration. The "Wars of Religion" did not just occur in Northern Ireland either, they were occuring in Spain, France, Italy, and the Holy Roman Empire. During the sixteen hundreds there were massive wars over the religions, thus it was called the "Wars of Religion" this was not a glorified title, it was titled that because that is what it was. The Protestants were a minority and thus they were battling against a large organization that was not willing to break and allow

2005-04-22 [Shael]: the people a change in religious doctrine. If you've noticed the trend throughout history, the Catholic church is still fairly inflexible on their interpritation of the Bible. As I asked in the other wiki, [sezmo] we are not all ignorant of historical data, yes we do know about Northern Ireland, and we also realize that when people strike out against an organization they are bound to be struck back in some form or another. If you wish to have an intelligent debate or discussion please do so politely.

2005-04-23 [Morfeaohtarawen]: [sezmo] sorry to point this out but you used the wrong there, it should be their

2005-04-24 [StarDance]: this is rachel. rainedrop's sister. i'm the temp owner of this wiki until she is able to return. if she is not allowed back on (which is sounding likely) all her wiki, including this one, will be deleted. i'm sorry.

2005-04-24 [Aurea]: Why was she banned?

2005-04-24 [StarDance]: go to pokemon lovers united! the last few comments "i" posted, was actually my sister taking over my computer with an explanation as to why she was banned...read that okay?

2005-04-25 [sezmo]: i was talking about the fighting between the irish and english which is still going on now not in the 16 hundrads men do start wars but in the name of a god is just wrong and to back a god/relgoin that alows this is wrong to, to all you intelijents that have nopticed i can not read/wiright very well well done but if you did your homeowrk you would know why!

2005-04-25 [Shael]: If WE had done our homework? [sezmo] you did not mention a date for your "war of religions", therefore, I assumed that you were speaking of the war that related to religions during the sixteen hundreds, however, those that follow a specific religion such as Christianity can not be blamed for what an organized assembly of men do. I myself am Christian though I do not attend church, nor am I affiliated with any specific brand of Christian doctrine.

2005-04-25 [Shael]: Moreover, when you post on a board not everyone will go to your house and look at your origins or your education, I do not mean to offend, the way one presents oneself on a board is a representation of the intelligence that one wishes others to see. If there is a specific reason for you writing difficulties then I apologize.

2005-05-06 [Spitfire]: meow...no fighting yall, please...i hate my wikis all conflicted, when they are not even on topic...

2005-05-07 [Morfeaohtarawen]: how did we get off topic?

2005-05-07 [StarDance]: talking about irish and catholics and such...not really the topic of this wiki is it?

2005-05-08 [Shael]: Hehe, sorry...after taking a year of advanced history and having it massively drilled into our feeble minds it's difficult not to rise to an occasion...sorry...

2005-05-08 [StarDance]: i don't mind...really...lol...

2005-05-14 [RabidSphinx]: hello everyone! i'm back!!!!

2005-05-14 [..Gone..]: hello...

2005-05-14 [RabidSphinx]: (^_^)

2005-05-14 [..Gone..]: :)

2005-05-14 [;;Melodrama Junkie]: heya raine wb :P

2005-05-14 [RabidSphinx]: thank you...(^_^)

2005-05-14 [;;Melodrama Junkie]: ^^ u r not worthless and never will be everyone is worth something [well some ppl arent BUT u r NOT one of them]

2005-05-15 [RabidSphinx]: Alive and kicking!!!! read these storries! i just found them and i couldn't help but be moved!

2005-05-16 [;;Melodrama Junkie]: omg!!! they are so sad that baby hope changed someones life plus saved many babies that would have been aborted how AMAZING that one lucky baby could change the world

2005-05-16 [RabidSphinx]: *teardrops* the story touched me too

2005-05-16 [..Gone..]: good stories...

2005-05-16 [RabidSphinx]: pro-life is getting the overhual....bare with me as i improve this place!!

2005-05-16 [;;Melodrama Junkie]: if i find anything that would be gud wud u like me to give u it?

2005-05-16 [RabidSphinx]: if you could that would be nice. but referances and sites would help. i like to be able to give people the choice to look it up themselves, if they don't want to bleive me

2005-05-16 [FireGypsy]: Those are such touching stories! It made me all teary eyed.

2005-05-16 [;;Melodrama Junkie]: i have a badge i made

2005-05-16 [;;Melodrama Junkie]: i made a badge for pro-life raine

2005-05-16 [RabidSphinx]: post it!!! yay! or message me with it and i can post it...(^_^)

2005-05-16 [RabidSphinx]: <img:http://www.nrlc.org/abortion/pba/rollovers/animationpbaa.gif> i just found this image for my partial birth abortions

2005-05-16 [Morfeaohtarawen]: :""""(

2005-05-16 [RabidSphinx]: it makes me sad and angry every time i see it....BUT LOOK EVERYONE! new mainpage info! thought it would help yall if i posted arguments against abortion. i hope you can all use them! and i added Abortions so read up! it looks like alot to read, but i got through it in, like, 10 minutes and learned A LOT!!!

2005-05-16 [Morfeaohtarawen]: this is sad

2005-05-16 [..Gone..]: 'Tis

2005-05-16 [Morning Rose]: hey everyone...

2005-05-16 [RabidSphinx]: it is...but people don't seem to understand exactly what abortion is...they say they are "pro choice" because they don't want to be told what to do, not even KNOWING that the baby IS alive or what an abortion REALLY is...they have NO IDEA

2005-05-16 [RabidSphinx]: i'm very proud of this page and all the pages i added and updated to now! i hope yall read what i put togeather for you! it's all so informative!

2005-05-16 [Morning Rose]: It's very good.

2005-05-16 [RabidSphinx]: thank you...(^_^) after writing a 19 page paper on abortion, i didn't think i could learn anything new.....*shrugs* guess i was wrong. but i thought the mainpage needed to be more for arguing our point. do you like it better this way?

2005-05-16 [Morning Rose]: yes...

2005-05-16 [RabidSphinx]: *beams*

2005-05-16 [Morning Rose]: lol, very neat :)

2005-05-16 [RabidSphinx]: *bounces up and down* it's all thanks to www.nrlc.org !!! they are an awesome group!

2005-05-17 [RabidSphinx]:

50 members! party time!!!

2005-05-17 [..Gone..]: Yay!

2005-05-17 [RabidSphinx]: lol

2005-05-17 [Morning Rose]: *lloking at the pics* and to think I actually wanted an abortion a month ago...

2005-05-17 [RabidSphinx]: really? well, i'm glad you didn't...i'm sure your child will be too

2005-05-17 [Morning Rose]: I still have someone pressuring me to have one...

2005-05-17 [RabidSphinx]: tat's horrable! no one has the right to do that! even if someone is pro-choice, it's still the womans CHOICE to have it done!!!

2005-05-17 [Morning Rose]: my husbund...

2005-05-17 [RabidSphinx]: thats horrable! *hugs* i'm sorry love

2005-05-17 [Morning Rose]: :) *smiles slightly* its ok... he wont force me to have one...

2005-05-17 [RabidSphinx]: that's good. babies are a blessing...there is nothing i want more than a baby of my own

2005-05-17 [Morning Rose]: i had one for about 13 minutes... see that pc, of the 24week old aborted one? well, thats about how big my daughter was when she was born too early...

2005-05-17 [Morning Rose]: she looked like that too, but a lot less bloody...

2005-05-17 [RabidSphinx]: wow

2005-05-17 [Morning Rose]: yeah... :(

2005-05-17 [RabidSphinx]: and you're not very old either...*hugs*

2005-05-17 [Morning Rose]: I had her when I had turned 16...

2005-05-17 [RabidSphinx]: wow...and here i am at 19 and never kissed a boy...i feel like quite the under achiver

2005-05-17 [Morning Rose]: I wish I could be 19 and never kissed a boy...

2005-05-17 [RabidSphinx]: i wish i could have been 15 and been noticed by boys...whish that about myself now actually...*sighs*...but i have my online BF...that's all i need

2005-05-17 [Morning Rose]: When I was 15 I was noticed and impregnanted by a 25 year old, so... I would have rather been not...

2005-05-17 [RabidSphinx]: sadly...i would take that over what i have now...

2005-05-17 [Morning Rose]: Even if the baby died because the 25 year old hit you in your stomach?

2005-05-17 [RabidSphinx]: *thinks*...sadly....yes....because that would have meant that i was desirable enough once....to be, well, touched....*sighs*

2005-05-17 [Morning Rose]: it wasnt really... consentually...

2005-05-17 [RabidSphinx]: consent has nothing to do with being desired...just how that person responds to that desire....*sighs* being raped would mean atleast *someone* wanted me bad enough.....

2005-05-17 [Morning Rose]: rape hurts... its not about being desired... its about the guy having control over you...

2005-05-17 [Morning Rose]: and it makes him feel better...

2005-05-17 [RabidSphinx]: well, i have a twisted mind

2005-05-17 [Morning Rose]: I'd say I'd trade places with you, but I wouldnt put anyone in this situation...

2005-05-17 [RabidSphinx]: *hugs* just be stong...

2005-05-17 [Morning Rose]: *laughs a little* lots of people say that, but they dont know what its like to be "deisred" by more then one guy almost everynight sometimes...

2005-05-17 [RabidSphinx]: oh...i know a girl like that....she was my aunt for a short time...until my cheating uncle gave her herpies

2005-05-17 [Morning Rose]: I dont think one of thems(my hsbunds friends) ever gave me anything...

2005-05-17 [RabidSphinx]: lets hope not

2005-05-17 [Morning Rose]: I thought I had something in my throat, but it was just a cold thingy

2005-05-17 [Morning Rose]: Though my husbund did get something from one of his whores

2005-05-17 [RabidSphinx]: i think i already told you this, but you really need to find a way away from that man...sheltersare not glamorus, but my aunt went there to save her life

2005-05-17 [Morning Rose]: He wont kill me

2005-05-17 [Morning Rose]: Though.. he did try to actually once...

2005-05-17 [RabidSphinx]: my uncle tried a few times on my poor aunt...last attempt was to run her over in his car...

2005-05-17 [Morning Rose]: no, mine wouldnt do something like that... he chocked me bad a while back and I think he could have and wanted to...

2005-05-17 [Morning Rose]: *hugs*

2005-05-17 [RabidSphinx]: *hugs* still, you should get away from him

2005-05-17 [Morning Rose]: once this babys born... :)

2005-05-17 [RabidSphinx]: *smiles* alright

2005-05-17 [Morning Rose]: not supposed to get outta bed much, let alone travel.. lol

2005-05-17 [RabidSphinx]: yeah...i remember you tell me

2005-05-17 [Morning Rose]: well, im off to bed, have a good night :)

2005-05-17 [RabidSphinx]: nighty night

2005-05-17 [..Gone..]: 46023191 is A LOT... wow

2005-05-17 [RabidSphinx]: goes up and up 4,000 every month or week, or something

2005-05-17 [..Gone..]: that makes ,e feel sick

2005-05-17 [RabidSphinx]: me too....*frowns*

2005-05-17 [..Gone..]: yeah... well, hi, I'm Jennifer

2005-05-17 [RabidSphinx]: i'm Raine...i run this place...(^_^)

2005-05-17 [..Gone..]: :) I know ((*hugs Alley*))

2005-05-17 [Morning Rose]: **hugs Jennifer**

2005-05-17 [;;Melodrama Junkie]: **hugz everyone** [random message]

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