2005-05-18 [Tear]: Ugh, I feel disgusting, i got home from the gym like almost 5 hours ago, and I still haven't showered.

2005-05-18 [RabidSphinx]: ewww....

2005-05-18 [Whim]: well, just because you have a certain set of beliefs doesn't mean you have to be offended by something. Although, since it did piss you off to the point where you were insulted, then I believe it did its job. Good art doesn't necessarily please all audiences. Good art only provokes an emotional reaction. Anger is an emotion, so artistically, the book accomplished what it was meant to do.

2005-05-18 [Whim]: well, I was still speaking hypothetically, rainedrop. I don't expect you to publish your book at all...hehe.

2005-05-18 [Tear]: Raine, i wasn't aware that you were religious at all. You don't come off as that ype of person that would follow up on Christianity, or at leat online you don't.

2005-05-18 [RabidSphinx]: so, i could write a book that says "niggas and fags should be lined up and shot" so that i offend lots of people, and aslong as i write it well, it's art? that's BS

2005-05-18 [Whim]: Well, that's just blatent...lol. There's no story there. There is a difference between posting a hate message and creating elaborate fiction...hehe.

2005-05-18 [RabidSphinx]: i'm a good practicing Christian girl. strong morals, faith, and devotion to my god. go to church 2-3 times a week.

2005-05-18 [RabidSphinx]: i could make a fiction around that...that could just be my message...

2005-05-18 [Tear]: Well, in that case, I can see why you didn't like the book.

2005-05-18 [RabidSphinx]: jesus rocks!

2005-05-18 [Whim]: then it's art. If that's the message you want to get across, who are we to deny its artistic value? If you write a book that holds the message "abortion is wrong and we should hate all who support it" then people will get offended, but it could still be art. Just because it's not an agreeable message doesn't mean it's not art.

2005-05-18 [Tear]: The main reason why I liked the davinci code is because of the controversial way that the author got his message across.

2005-05-18 [RabidSphinx]: it isn't the fact or not if it is an "agreeable message" it's just spreading blatent lies about Christ....i mean, it would be like me writing a book with a similar message about the late pope (anen though i'm, not a supporter of the catholic shurch)....it would all belies, and no one would like it...it wouldnt be "art" juts crap

2005-05-18 [Tear]: Damn it, I have school and work in the morning, I need sleep, but I can't fall asleep.

2005-05-18 [Whim]: I haven't read the davinci code, but I like anything that makes people think and that book did make a lot of people think...hehe.

2005-05-18 [Tear]: It pissed a lot of people off, and gave a lot of people a new view on Christianity.

2005-05-18 [Whim]: just because no one likes it doesn't make not art either. There is such a thing as "crappy art" heheh.

2005-05-18 [RabidSphinx]: my deffinition of art is different than yyours i suppose whim...i don't call it art when the intention of the person making it was JUST to piss off and offend people....the book was writen juts for that....not because the author just *wanted* to...or felt a need like real artists

2005-05-18 [Whim]: It scares christians every time something like that comes out, but it shouldn't. I mean, from what I understand, it wasn't denying the existance of god and it didn't actually disrespect jesus really. It just told the story of christ a bit differently than how it's normally told.

2005-05-18 [Whim]: hehehe...I go by the dictionary definition. I find the dictionary to be one of the few sure things in this world.

2005-05-18 [RabidSphinx]: it says jesus had a BASTAD SON WITH A WHORE! that IS DISRESPECTING CHRIST! and even though the author says it's all fiction, some assholes believe it to be true, and are more willing to believe that then the bible! they make problems and piss off all us decent Christians

2005-05-18 [Tear]: Think of it as a test of faith. You see how one person obviously defames Jesus' name, and spreads his slander, but why would you let that get to you? Read it objectively, hard as that may be. *remembers that he follows no specific religion*

2005-05-18 [Whim]: if I understand correctly--mind you I haven't actually read the book--it says that he married a whore--because he forgives all sins--and then had a child with her. That whore turned her life around, thanks to jesus. All I see there is that jesus is a very powerful and forgiving man who could turn even the lowest forms of human trash into good people.

2005-05-18 [Solitiaum]: IT MERELY RAISED THE POSSIBILITY THAT HE MARRIED MARY MAGDELINE AND BEGAT KIDS WITH HER!! Gah. Can we cease this topic of discussion now?

2005-05-18 [RabidSphinx]: because god says to turn away from slander and sin...to associate with it is to dirty ourselves with the sins of others. just reading it objectively i risked my eternal soul. i had to read it for a class, and prayed to god to forgive me when i was done. i threw away my copy after writing my paper on it.

2005-05-18 [Solitiaum]: There is NOTHING in the bible stating that mary was a whore.

2005-05-18 [RabidSphinx]: she was a prostitute...it says so in the bible...and he DIDN''T marry, nor did he have kids. thus the book spreads lies about christ

2005-05-18 [Whim]: christians also believe that we're not allowed to think too...hehe. We're supposed to just read the bible and accept it without question.

2005-05-18 [Solitiaum]: Quote for me, chapter and verse.

2005-05-18 [Whim]: the bible doesn't say that he didn't get married or have kids. It never mentions it, but it also never denies it.

2005-05-18 [RabidSphinx]: it's an act of faith...god encurages us to think, to ask questions, but in the end, all the answers lead us back to him

2005-05-18 [RabidSphinx]: i don't have a bible on hand. so i cannot. but she was a prostitute. thus why it was looked upon odly that christ would be so kind towards her. she learned from him even though she was a dirty and shunned woman

2005-05-18 [Whim]: not true. I get looked down on by christians any time I question the validity of something that happened in the bible.

2005-05-18 [Tear]: Mary Magdeline was his confidant, she was his friend, never did it say he married her. And it also says that jesus was pure, in the new testament, and uninfluenced by the normal urges of man, from whcih you could inference that he was a virgin when he died.

2005-05-18 [Whim]: exactly. If Christ took the time to teach a whore, why would he not be friends with her? And if he can be friends with her, where in the bible does it say that jesus was incapable of falling in love?

2005-05-18 [RabidSphinx]: *nods* i was going to get to that...thank you [Tear]...(^_^)

2005-05-18 [RabidSphinx]: he died pure whim. he was friends yes, he was her teacher. not her lover. the world doesn't play out like an episode of the OC

2005-05-18 [Whim]: You can infer that tear, but at the same time, as long as he were married, it would be seen as pure for him to lay with a woman. But then again, I also believe that the people who wrote thebible took a few liberties with the information.

2005-05-18 [Solitiaum]: Chapter and verse, please. NOW can we end this conversation?? *hates theology*

2005-05-18 [Whim]: That's not like an episode of the OC, rainedrop. That's like real life. It's my opinion that jesus was most likely more of a normal man than the bible states, because as I said, I believe the bible took some liberties. Even if he didn't have a son or marry anyone, I still think he was more human than the bible gives him credit for most of the time. In fact, the bible actually says that before he died on the cross, he had his own moment of weakness where he questioned god's motives.

2005-05-18 [Tear]: [Whim], the way that "pure" was seenas back then was as being chaste, and for Jesus to lie with a prostitute, whom is obviously unpure, would then make him unpure. That goes along with the whole guilty by affiliation thing. Which is why he went and taught her instead of used her.

2005-05-18 [RabidSphinx]: actually, you are considered "dirty and unclean" for 24 hours after sex...and sex, even within marriage is considered sinful...it is sucoming to lustual impulses...you are not "pure" if you are not a virgin according to the bible...Mary was "pure" when she had jesus...it also says she was a "virgin" when she had jesus..."pure" and "virgin" are interchangable in the bible

2005-05-18 [Solitiaum]: Im... just gonna go... now.... >_<

2005-05-18 [RabidSphinx]: actually, he didn't quetion god's motives...only when taken out of context do the words seem like he is questioning his father

2005-05-18 [Tear]: I think we are starting to bore and anger Kate, maybe we should drop this.

2005-05-18 [RabidSphinx]: i don't do anything to appease anyone...she said she was leaving.

2005-05-18 [Tear]: That was a good conversation, too. It is sad, how I know the bible better then do some Christians.

2005-05-18 [Whim]: he had his moment of weakness. He knew what was about to happen and he was even scared to go through with it. He can still be considered a great man for going through with it, but it's completely plausible that the son of god still go a little scared.

2005-05-18 [Tear]: She said she was leaving because she didn't want to get involved in the conversation, and I do believe that you also asked to stop the conversation, so it would be to appease yourself as well.

2005-05-18 [Whim]: hehehe...well, tear, it's also sad that I'm often a better christian than some christians...hehe.

2005-05-18 [RabidSphinx]: i never said stop. and if she doesn't like it she doesn't have to read it. no one asked her to get involved

2005-05-18 [Tear]: Oops, that was my bad, I just went top the older comments thingy, and I thought what Kate said was what you said.

2005-05-18 [RabidSphinx]: oh...*shrugs* naw...well, anways...all i have to say is:

2005-05-18 [Tear]: I am an evolutionist, and, taken into consideration with a lot of metaphorical speaking, everything in the bible can be explained by science.

2005-05-18 [Tear]: Though I am sure that Raine here will beg to differ.

2005-05-18 [RabidSphinx]: i believe in creation by evolution.

2005-05-18 [Whim]: Most things in the bible can also be explained by socialology...hehehe.

2005-05-18 [Whim]: Raine, that's so blasphemous. How can you sow that picture?!

2005-05-18 [RabidSphinx]: because i chose jesus!

2005-05-18 [Whim]: no, because that picture depicts jesus being controlled by an asian boy who abuses his pets by stuffing them in tiny balls.

2005-05-18 [Tear]: Take, for example, genesis 1:1 god created the heavens and the earth. Think of god as nothing but sheer energy. now think of the world as a tiny atom, that has been compressed to such a degree by that energy, that it barely exists. Now think of this God/energy, making a shift, that atom would then no longer be compressed or held the same way, meaning it has leeway to move, so it expands, now that it has space to be free in. There goes the law of denser materials.

2005-05-18 [RabidSphinx]: i believe god created everything, using the set rules he created for the univers....

2005-05-18 [Tear]: I am going to stop with my science theory thing, because it gets complicated and usually gives me a headache when i explain other events.

2005-05-18 [Whim]: I believe that we can't possibly know for sure how the universe was actually created because no matter what source you come to, there still would have to be something that created the source. If nothing created the source, then you'd never be able to prove that nothing created the source because we are incapable of comprehending infinity.

2005-05-18 [RabidSphinx]: *nods* fine with me...i believe in science. and actually, you can use science to support the bible...but in the end, it all takes faith, which is the underlying point of the bible. if it was 100% black and white, sound proveable...then where is the faith?

2005-05-18 [Whim]: of course. I just find it a bit cocky that any religion would condemn any person for not believing what they believe 100%.

2005-05-18 [RabidSphinx]: hey whim check out my new, slightly improved Pro-Life wiki! (^_^)

2005-05-18 [Whim]: did you correct all the weird percentages that made no sense? lol

2005-05-18 [Tear]: Howdy

2005-05-18 [Whim]: It looks a bit better, but the wiki award and safe zone badge knock the top off balance.

2005-05-18 [Whim]: pssst! Tear....I Hate Homosexuality. check out the owner...lol.

2005-05-18 [RabidSphinx]: i figured out what it mean...when it seemed to contradict itself, it didn't...when it said "more white than minority women got abortiones" then said so many % were black and so many % were hispanic and you said it would add up to, like, 230% it was saying, the whites have the majority, but of the 1/2 that were minority, the % were as stated....the whole thing was easily missunderstood, so i just took the fact out...but look at all i added...(^_^)

2005-05-18 [Tear]: Umm, [Whim] I would, but that is an invalid link, and I don't see a wiki named that.

2005-05-18 [Whim]: I'm not reading all that...hehe. but it's good that you took out most of the disgusting pictures. They didn't support the point, in my opinion. Just grossed people out.

2005-05-18 [RabidSphinx]: i do not support homosexuality for many reasons, one of which being because of god. Leviticus 20:13 "And when a man lies down with a male the same as one lies down with a woman, both of them have done a detestable thing. They should be put to death without fail. Their own blood is upon them.”.....and yes, i own i hate homosexuality

2005-05-18 [Tear]: How's that for a save, [Whim]?

2005-05-18 [Whim]: That was not a simple yes or no answer.

2005-05-18 [RabidSphinx]: they are still there...just on other pages, with warnings posted. you should read it, if only for your own insite...i added Abrotions and more to partial birth abortions

2005-05-18 [Whim]: Yeah, I forgot to add the "@wiki"

2005-05-18 [RabidSphinx]: i rarely give yes or no answers whim...you know that...

2005-05-18 [Whim]: I already know the general facts. I don't need statistics. Simpler people need statistics...hehe.

2005-05-18 [RabidSphinx]: they are NOT statistics...the one on abortions just explains what all the different forms of abortion consist of from a non biased POV...just how they are done and their effects on mother and child.

2005-05-18 [Whim]: oh, I pretty much know all of that too, for the most part.

2005-05-18 [RabidSphinx]: and i can't reall think of what to do with the 2 badges really...they were stuck at the top and i don't know how to display them otherwise...any sugestions whim?

2005-05-18 [RabidSphinx]: and you know i always appriciate your incite whime...(^_-) thought, since you were not overly fond of my wiki before according to the review you gave it, i would make it more to a standard of your liking (to mine as well of course)

2005-05-18 [Tear]: [Whim] I was just doing my laundry, so that is why i am replying a bit late to this, but did you just say that I was a simpler person?

2005-05-18 [Whim]: Not sure about those badges. They're a pain in the ass to deal with. You could shrink down your header banner a bit and put a badge on either side of the header banner.

2005-05-18 [Tear]: Or were you refering to Raine's wiki?

2005-05-18 [Tear]: *insight

2005-05-18 [RabidSphinx]: hmmm...maybe

2005-05-18 [Whim]: lol...no, i was saying people in general are simpler people. I was doing that thing where I'm overly cocky for no particular reason cause every now and then, I act like an ass cause I can...hehe.

2005-05-18 [Tear]: When you incite something, that is like citing someone elses work within what you are reporting.

2005-05-18 [RabidSphinx]: i loves my pro-life wiki!!! *hugs it tight*

2005-05-18 [Whim]: But there is some truth to what I say because I genuinely believe that I understand things a lot better than most people even when I have little or no information to back up my understanding.

2005-05-18 [Tear]: Raine, I am hoping you caught my correction to your spelling of "incite" as the two words have different meanings.

2005-05-18 [Tear]: I am not going to correct any of your other spelling errors, as that would be rude, but I did it for that one word just because of the multiple meaning.

2005-05-18 [RabidSphinx]: i can't spell...it bothers me too sometimes....oh, and look at pro-life again whim! is it better?

2005-05-18 [Whim]: That is a lot better. There just needs to be a bit of space between the banner and the safe zone badge.

2005-05-18 [Tear]: Do you mind when people correct your spelling and grammar? because I tend to do that a lot.

2005-05-18 [RabidSphinx]: alrighty....lets see how that works

2005-05-18 [RabidSphinx]: i actually do it alot myself...and thats sad...if *i* can point out mistakes, the person must really be stupid...but 1/2 of my misspellings are typos due to my poor typing anyways...*shrugs*

2005-05-18 [RabidSphinx]: there...better now whim? i'm only worried that, with other people's screen settings, it won't all fit across the top you know? then it will look all retarded...even more so than before...(>_o)

2005-05-18 [Whim]: well, I'm not entirely sure about it all, but my screen is only a 12" laptop screen, so most newer computers should see about what I see.

2005-05-18 [Whim]: but yeah, that bit of space makes it look much better. It's acceptablen now...hehe.

2005-05-18 [RabidSphinx]: woot! *throws hands up in the air* i love my wiki though. my most favorite creation of this site. i'm so proud of it. and last night we got our 50th member!!! *does a little dance*

2005-05-18 [Tear]: Just so long as it doesn't bother you, if I ever do that to you. most of the time, I correct people by force of habit more then me wanting to annoy them. I am a grammar and spelling Nazi.

2005-05-18 [RabidSphinx]: if i notice it, i fix it. but usually, i just leave it...me being the lazy-ass i am

2005-05-18 [Tear]: Unfortunately, most people online are lazy when it comes to communication, which is why we have 1337. I don't think I ever leanred how to type improperly, I have always used proper english. but before, i just wouldn't capitalize letters or put any punctuation, everything was always spelled the right way.

2005-05-18 [Tear]: I mean, I don't type the way people teach you to type, with the asdf ;lkj, but I type fast as is, so i don't need that.

2005-05-18 [Whim]: hey, you can't say that people do 1337 cause they're lazy. That's like learning a whole new language if you wanna do it right...hehe.

2005-05-18 [Tear]: Anywho, it is after midnight, and I have to wake up at 3 to catch my morning shift, and then I have school. See you all tomorrow!

2005-05-18 [Tear]: Aye, 1337 is an entirely new language. I think it would be harder for me to learn 1337 then it would be to type properly all the time. Even though I already almost always type properly.

2005-05-18 [Tear]: Goodnight/morning again.

2005-05-18 [RabidSphinx]: i like leet

2005-05-18 [Sunrose]: Okay I am not going to read all that, so if there was anything said I should know then tell me :)

2005-05-18 [FireGypsy]: 1337 15 50 01d 5ch00l, 175 833n 4r0und f0r3v3r

2005-05-18 [Tear]: Not much that I can think of [Sunrose], and 1337 is gay. I can't believe I could actually read what you just posted, I have never used 1337.

2005-05-18 [FireGypsy]: 101 1337 15 0ff1c1411y 64y!

2005-05-18 [Tear]: lol leet is officially gay? Oh my lord, I understand it, KEEP IT AWAY!!! *runs*

2005-05-19 [FireGypsy]: 1337 5c4r35 y0u 83c4u53 y0u c4n r34d 17!!! y0u 5h0u1d 83 5c4r3d!!!

2005-05-19 [Solitiaum]: I can read that >_<

2005-05-19 [FireGypsy]: y35 4nd 7h47 15 \/\/hy 175 5c4ry

2005-05-19 [Sunrose]: *51l-l65* :p

2005-05-19 [Tear]: Rise against Idiocy, thankyou.

2005-05-20 [Solitiaum]: :P

2005-05-20 [Tear]: KATE! Why did you change your name?

2005-05-20 [insanitysetin]: That is like really hard to read..

2005-05-20 [Tear]: What? Kate's new name? or the 1337?

2005-05-20 [insanitysetin]: 1337.. boy am I stupid or what.

2005-05-20 [Whim]: yes

2005-05-20 [Solitiaum]: BECAUSE IM STARTING AN RP!!

2005-05-20 [Whim]: Is it good?

2005-05-20 [Solitiaum]: I have to do maps and plot twists and stuff before I can even begin to think of releasing it on the general public @_@

2005-05-20 [Tear]: OoOoO, that makes sense. I still came up with your other one though!!!!

2005-05-21 [Dwemer]: If you want some help [Solitiaum] please take a look at mine MorninFall Gosh, i really like that name...:)

2005-05-21 [De'ladrei]: considering how much [Dwemer] does on his own accord shouldnt he be one of the volunteers too? Just a thought ^^

2005-05-21 [Sunrose]: He's one of the Contractors :)

2005-05-21 [De'ladrei]: I know, but I thought I might ask :)

2005-05-21 [Dwemer]: Isn't someone allowed to be both [Sunrose] ?

2005-05-21 [Dwemer]: Ah, do you mean like, It's my work to do so, so no extra reward?

2005-05-21 [Sunrose]: It's a bit strange to get two badges for the same thing isn't it? I want to try and avoid that as much as possible :)

2005-05-22 [FireGypsy]: Is all the stuff were helping out on supposed to be listed up there ^ because im helping in a few more things. *shrugs* just wondering.

2005-05-22 [RabidSphinx]: i like peanuts....yum

2005-05-22 [FireGypsy]: i like peanut butter and banana sandwiches!

2005-05-22 [RabidSphinx]: as do i...yum

2005-05-22 [Dwemer]: i understand ^_^ roger that.

2005-05-24 [Solitiaum]: Map done. Now working on other stuff for it too, plot twists ^_^

2005-05-24 [Dwemer]: ^_^ rp's are great!

2005-05-24 [RabidSphinx]: never done one...

2005-05-24 [Dwemer]: *dances with rainedrop*

2005-05-24 [RabidSphinx]: *spins around flaring out skirt* weeeeee!

2005-05-24 [Dwemer]: 0.o ^_^

2005-05-24 [FireGypsy]: i have one, its not too great, but i guess it works. I need more avtive players though.

2005-05-24 [Dwemer]: i think you just found one... ~_^

2005-05-24 [DenDen]: how do u become a volunteer o.o

2005-05-24 [Dwemer]: if you work in an official wiki.

2005-05-24 [DenDen]: ohhh like elfpack awards?

2005-05-24 [Dwemer]: yes ^_^ or toggery

2005-05-24 [DenDen]: what the hell IS toggery i never really understood it o.o

2005-05-24 [Dwemer]: aha! please check Toggery Questions ^_^

2005-05-24 [DenDen]: I know what it is now ^_^ so many toggery wiki's *passes out* x-x

2005-05-24 [Dwemer]: So it helped you? my wiki?

2005-05-24 [DenDen]: :D yes it did i understand it now

2005-05-24 [Dwemer]: grand *dances* ^_^ tell all your friends about the advisory!

2005-05-24 [DenDen]: :D and I shall! want me to put the banner thingie up?

2005-05-25 [Gone4eva]: i love sunrose

2005-05-25 [DenDen]: who doesnt love sunrose?

2005-05-25 [Gone4eva]: evil ppl

2005-05-25 [DenDen]: this is true

2005-05-25 [FireGypsy]: I love [Sunrose] more than anything!

2005-05-25 [Tear]: I barely know [Sunrose], I have only spoken to her briefly, and that wasn't about anything special.

2005-05-25 [RabidSphinx]: i miss seeing her around so much....but i wish her the best.

2005-05-25 [Tear]: Aye, what happened to her? I never see her online much anymore.

2005-05-25 [RabidSphinx]: she has, like, stress in her life...just stuff going on and ruling over EP takes alot of her time, and adds to stress and stuff, so she is taking a break, just relaxing...stuff and stuff...you know

2005-05-25 [Tear]: Ahh, vacation, totally understandable and much deserved.

2005-05-25 [RabidSphinx]: yup...she works hard here AND (imagine this) she has a life OUTSIDE of EP!!! i know, i know, i was shocked too! lol...but she is hopefully enjoying her downtime

2005-05-25 [Gone4eva]: lol i wish i would put her in a cage and tye a little string on her lag so i pull her back whenever i needed*paripharsing BIlly S*

2005-05-25 [Tear]: Then we could pit her against other captive humans like in dogfights, right? *tie, *leg, *paraphrasing

2005-05-26 [Gone4eva]: noooooooooooooo like so she could never get away

2005-05-26 [Tear]: Then why not get her one of those electric collars that shocks her when she oversteps certain boundries? Then we could carry the transmitter with us, so if she goes too far away, she gets shocked? She would stick with us for sure then.

2005-05-26 [Gone4eva]: now that would be mean, and i dont think thats what billy s had in mind when he wrought that line in Romeo and Juliet

2005-05-26 [Tear]: Who ever said i was quoting Billy S? I just had the idea.

2005-05-26 [Gone4eva]: i was quoting billy s

2005-05-28 [Tear]: [Dwemer] speaking of Toggery, [Whim] told me that I was supposed to be helping you out with that.

2005-05-28 [Dwemer]: Hmm, We're a great team [Tear] , Let me think a job for you.

2005-05-28 [Dwemer]: First of all, Do you understand all rules of Toggery? That will be very important for the job I give you.

2005-05-28 [DenDen]: wow...I missed alot o_o

2005-05-28 [Sunrose]: If you are going to talk about Toggery, please make it private...because I am selfish and I'm watching this page and I don't want to have to click the link each time :P

2005-05-28 [Dwemer]: Will do, sorry for the clicking-time ^_- *dances*

2005-05-28 [Tear]: Of course I know the rules why else would [Whim] send me to you. He was talking to me about a position on the toggery team before. Sorry about that [Sunrose]. Let's talk about you and your beautiful self then.

2005-05-29 [Sunrose]: lol, um no that's ok [Tear] =P

2005-06-12 [Sunrose]: How is 'enlightened' and evil title??

2005-06-12 [De'ladrei]: and what happened to me being puschotic? :p lol

2005-06-12 [Sunrose]: Ah it wasn't changed here! I did change it on artists today lol..

2005-06-12 [De'ladrei]: hehehe thank you ;)

2005-06-15 [Dwemer]: Revenger, for angelo debbs ;)

2005-06-15 [Sunrose]: If he wants it I guess, since he already gave himself a title..

2005-06-15 [Dwemer]: ^_^ Hehe...

2005-06-15 [redheadedterror]: I wanna be a volunteer too..\